Curse

WetWookie · Sep 09, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

They increased the drops in UW. That is hardly a nerf. They just made it impossible to exploit.

Fantus · Sep 09, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

i have to say this game is not for soloing

I am still not aware where exactly on the game package this is written....

Algren Cole · Sep 09, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

it's still possible to solo UW...you just have to adjust your build slightly

Lasareth · Sep 09, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

It would be nice if Anet just came out and said their position on it. Every time one of the reps is asked about it they dodge the question, or use some lame preset PR response that doesn't really answer the question.

If they actually SAY that they don't want solo farming, then that's fine with me, but they're not even owning up to that much.

salja Wachi · Sep 09, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Fantus

I am still not aware where exactly on the game package this is written....

it does not have to be written. it should be as obvious as the nose on your face.

john little · Sep 09, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

It's not a nerf, it's dynamic PvE. After all, soloing is about challenging yourself and coming up with uber-builds. Trying to get loads of items is something quite different, it's farming.

jdwoody · Sep 09, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

it does not have to be written. it should be as obvious as the nose on your face.

Then why does anet have this in their FAQ?

"You can choose to join in competitive missions and receive acclaim for winning against other gamers, or you can reap the rewards of solo adventures or cooperative team missions with an entirely different set of challenges."

If anet doesn't want people to solo the UW they should put in a minimum party size...

salja Wachi · Sep 09, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

aner has repeatedly said that they will take away the need for farmong. they have done so.

Bugeater · Sep 09, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by trelloskilos

It's rumoured that the Droknar's merchants are now stocking non-bunching panties. Maybe you should get some.

LOL very funny. While I disagree with most of what you say, I totally agree with this. People are making too much of a big deal about a very little thing.

I don't agree that "people shouldn't be able to solo the UW", but I do believe that the UW is supposed to be one of the hardest areas of the game. When many people can solo it without a ton of skill and effort, then it stops being incredibly challenging. This update just made it more challenging again. There are certain players who enjoy the challenge of soloing the difficult areas (I happen to be one of them). It was never about the ectos and the money - when I want that, 2-man teams are way better.

I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch because of this update. I am going to roll my eyes at everyone whining about the "nerfs" as much as those whining about the solo farmers. I am going to continue to solo the UW, and when I get to the point where it's not hard anymore, I'll welcome an update to renew the challenge. Maybe I'll take a crack at soloing Sorrows Furnace (though by the ease of completing it with only henchies, I'm not too sure).

Tetris L · Sep 09, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by warban

Im Sorry the word your looking for is Buffed Not nerfed .

My first thought exactly.

Oni No Arashi · Sep 09, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Heh, I don't see a nerf. It didn't get easier.

They buffed UW, and I'm glad about it.

Someone will figure out a new build... eventually. Consider it a challange. How can I fix my build to solo UW again.

EternalTempest · Sep 09, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

I think when they meant by solo, implied henchmen (which was removed from FoW/Uw).

Jhyphi · Sep 09, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Isn't this not considered a nerf? Isn't it a beef-up or something of that nature?

I always thought nerf was making things easier/weaker. Now it seems people use it to complain about their farming habits being changed.

DrSLUGFly · Sep 09, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I've never farmed... probably never will... And it's not possible that there has ever been a NEED for farming, or even farmong. If there was a need, how could it be possible that I've played through the game, end-game with 2 chars, ascended with another 2, 400 hours in PvE with every quest done, max dmg w/ mods on my main characters, all the elites I need, several superiors owned and many unlocked, good PvP set up, max armor... and I've never farmed.

What there is, is a DESIRE to farm. Big difference. As somebody who never farms and has no interest in it, and from someone who never participates in the open market yet consistently is doing max dmg for my class, I feel I speak with a good deal of impartiality on this. There is no problem for farming. It's a desire. One doesn't need to do it, I never did. One doesn't need to buy from farmers, I never did (except that my guild bought a celestial sigil for which each officer pitched in 10K, but that's not really farming). And so if it's totally unnecessary and has no effect on those who don't wish to participate (I have never been scammed or gouged for a "godly" item) then how is it a bad thing if people can farm?

I've never been able to understand why a 105/55 monk is condemned for going into the UW alone... It's not like I'm going to get less shards or ectos when I pay tribute because some monk already took them all. I support Anet in all dev decisions, because they are at once baby and bathwater. But as a company that provides a service (disguised perhaps as a product) they are bound to their followers. So really, nothing can be blamed on Anet, they're trying to do the best job they can (out of their own pockets... I'm certainly not giving them any more money until I get Chapter 2). Why did people get so pissed off about the UW solo farmers? or solo farmers in any zone? Despite making an honest effort, I don't see how it could possibly affect anyone other than the farmer...

Compare the dmg an efficient farmer (OP is obviously a farmer, how much do you make in an hour?) does to the economy to an efficient botting company... or to someone who buys from a botter. 20 US dollars is about... on average... 3 hours work at a low paying job. So someone can make about 100,000 gold in 3 hours time by grinding away at cheeseburgers or grinding away at a cash register... EAT U AlIVE, can you make 100,000 gold in 3 hours? Can any farmer make this kind of cash??? Solo farmers are not a problem. And this is not defending myself or anything I have an interest in, this is just objective thinking.

Theos · Sep 09, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

This is the opposite of nerf to everyone except for soloing monks. To them this is a nerf of their all so precious cookie cutter builds. To all those who don't actually exploit the "drawback" of superior runes (which can now be argued as an advantage to some builds by decreasing health and increasing stats, not only monks). UW has actually gained some more challenge and in my opinion truly become harder than all of FoW, prior to the update a good prot monk and a good tank could carry the group to Chaos Plane, now you have to be more coordinated than anything, especially in a pug. The drops have also gone up drastically, ectos galore in later parts of UW and even some of the parts previously lacking ecto

Drognan · Sep 09, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

it does not have to be written. it should be as obvious as the nose on your face.

Why should it be obvious? It's a Role Playing Game. It might be a MMORPG, but it is STILL a Role Playing Game. And, in your divine wisdom in thinking that it is not meant for soloing and that it should be as plain as the nose on my face, explain this to me;

The very first part of this non-solo RPG, this miracle of modern Computers, is STRICTLY a SOLO affair. How many times have you joined up with other players in Pre-Searing?? I can count the number of times I have on one hand. Actually, I don't even need that one hand, because I have never done it. It is NOT required. If it is required for you, then you are, by ANET's very own definition, not living up to their standards as a gamer. Since their main point of this game is SKILL. If you don't have the skill to turn that easy place (pre-searing) into a solo affair, then you should not be playing this game. And, as for the other places that people like to solo, more power to them, if they can figure out the right combination of skills to do so.

Once ANET starts nerfing certain areas and certain skills, then they are going against their very beliefs in the first place, posing the question.......If this isn't a game that you should be able to play on your SOLO merits, as well as a group, then what EXACTLY is the game?? Oh, and as for constantly nerfing/booming skills.....Does new and improved mean that the whole time we were playing OLD AND INFERIOR? I think not. I think that ANET has a VISION, they just haven't figured out exactly what that VISION is YET.

Drognan · Sep 09, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by john little

It's not a nerf, it's dynamic PvE. After all, soloing is about challenging yourself and coming up with uber-builds. Trying to get loads of items is something quite different, it's farming.

Then, to go by your very own logic, IT IS A NERF. I challenged myself to come up with an exclusive build that I could solo with. ANET nerfed the very skills that I was using. They didn't increase the difficulty, at first, of the areas I was trying the build in, they NERFED the skills. The very definition, or one as close as possible to a word that doesn't truly exhist, of NERF is to take something down a notch, or simply reduce the ability of that certain thing/skill/ability/idea/etc. So, YES, they did NERF.

Limiting our abilities with skills that we were accustomed to using is quite annoying, and if you do not agree with that, then you must have Godlike infinite patience.

John Waffletord · Sep 09, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

I dont farm much unless i need something specific.

reason being, i find enough doing normal missions and quests and explorations to get everything i need. One day ill probably come across a weapon or two that will get me a lot of money, and if i wasted hours about hours of farming and not made that much.. i'd be pissed.

Yamat · Sep 09, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Fantus

I am still not aware where exactly on the game package this is written....

Where it says "multi-player" and "online". You don't go out of your way to make an online solo game... the info on the box about playing solo is because they added henchies...

Quit whining.

Enigmatics · Sep 09, 2005, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Different people express different wants, so you posters who are self-appointed omniscients should rest your fingers a bit, because even YOU can't change people's opinions. Personal preference is thrown out the window when A.net so stubbornly, yet steadily, makes Guild Wars into the game they wanted it to be.